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Post by Test Card Girl on Jul 28, 2005 4:15:11 GMT 10
Yep, I agree with both of you, Mary and Meg!
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Post by sirius on Jul 28, 2005 8:23:00 GMT 10
All such questions are necessarily vague as they lack background. I am compliling data for a subject on the number of male geniuses compared to females. As I didn't want to use the word genius, I simplified it, but my creativity was only directed at the big achievers in history. I have 301 such geniuses and their IQ levels and I will paste a few as the site allows a dozen or so at a given time. Here we go. You still went on after I reexplained myself above that is what I found exasperating. On the German board this same topic worked perfectly and is still going. I love you all really but today was my deadline anyway.
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Post by sirius on Jul 28, 2005 8:24:56 GMT 10
You still went on after I reexplained myself above that is what I found exasperating. On the German board this same topic worked perfectly and is still going. I love you all really but today was my deadline anyway. bye
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Post by marysunshine on Jul 28, 2005 8:31:45 GMT 10
You still went on after I reexplained myself above that is what I found exasperating. On the German board this same topic worked perfectly and is still going. I love you all really but today was my deadline anyway. bye That's a nicer way to depart.. Da Vinci is probably one of the few geniuses I would have nominated.
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Post by holly on Jul 28, 2005 9:01:00 GMT 10
Oh gosh there are hundreds.
Males are definitely better in abstract thinking, it's all due to them having to do the designing since Adam I guess.
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Post by tqisfoo on Jul 28, 2005 11:42:35 GMT 10
On the German board this same topic worked perfectly and is still going. Oh well, hoo-bloody-ray for the German board.
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Post by dhm on Jul 28, 2005 15:59:34 GMT 10
I'm also very suspicious of I.Q. tests. Let's face it when we nominate achievers either in context of historical or recent times and we examine any subjective field - art and literature for example, it's more often than not a Western or Eastern standard. There is a worrying lack of 'primitive' cultural examples. That's always been a flaw in I.Q. tests and I'm still not convinced the numbers games and spatial questions eliminate a kind of ethnocentricity. Are 'we' more intelligent because we are more advantaged and have a certain education as a background? How many genius lists are we going to compile with African tribe members as a potential genius? That being said I enjoy any list of creativity that gives the arts their due instead of the sciences alone. There are some that appear to reduce cultural influence. That being said the only valid definition of IQ is "it's what IQ tests measure" no more no less.
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Post by ifyouseekay on Jul 28, 2005 17:48:29 GMT 10
On the German board this same topic worked perfectly and is still going. Oh well, hoo-bloody-ray for the German board. haa haa haa go TQ!
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Post by 4213 on Jul 28, 2005 21:51:28 GMT 10
I think us dumbshit should go over there and annoy them all.
Would be like a paradox.
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Post by Meg on Jul 28, 2005 23:44:02 GMT 10
You still went on after I reexplained myself above that is what I found exasperating. On the German board this same topic worked perfectly and is still going. I love you all really but today was my deadline anyway. bye What crap! As the topic changed so did our line of discussion - from whether men are, in fact, more creative to the validity of IQ tests. If you don't like the direction the discussion is taking, then too bad. You don't control us or the board.
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Post by holly on Jul 29, 2005 9:08:51 GMT 10
Bazza told me early in life to always face the truth however hard to swallow or I would learn nothing.
Sirius is sirius why be bitter?
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Post by Meg on Jul 29, 2005 9:56:09 GMT 10
Not bitter. Just tired of being played with. Even our reaction to his less than flattering remarks about Babooskha was a kind of test. Then, because he retracts them, it's supposed to be OK. And we're supposed to be happy about his attempts to manipulate?
If Sirius wants an exchange of ideas, fine. But when he sets up a thread such as this, it's as if he has the conclusion we should come to already fixed in his head. Any deviance from this and it's because we're defensive or incapable of honesty.
Sirius manipulates. He always has. This time, for me, he went too far.
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Post by holly on Jul 29, 2005 10:18:15 GMT 10
I didn't find the original question confusing after coming in late I admit.
If you look around the world and every artificial object in it and ask yourself who thought it up, designed it and built it, then you must face the fact that men are more creative.
No wonder he was exasperated by the replies. He did go OTT once but everyone else does at times including me.
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Post by 4213 on Jul 29, 2005 10:28:21 GMT 10
I think the subjectivity is in the word creative and that has been the crux of the discussion.
Objects are engineered, men tend to have more engineering type brains, therefore yes, no doubt you are correct. They are predisposed to engineering more than women are.
Sirius gave us the answer, was he testing us or did he want a discussion based on it? We don't have to sit back and agree do we? After all isn't this part of the thought process? We all go away having learned something? Also sometimes people stand by their thoughts, its called conviction, this medium tends to make us more protective of our thoughts as we lack the gentle nod or smile that happens in real life.
You cannot create a thread and assume you have the correct answer, we are all entitled to an opinion and our individuality. Yes statistics show that, but how boring if we just sat and listened to one person and how arrogant for one person to assume they are completely correct. If that is so, then they cease to learn also.
No bitterness. Just discussion.
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Post by tqisfoo on Jul 29, 2005 10:38:58 GMT 10
I don't understand why the discussion has to be "steered" in the direction in which Sirius would like iit to go. If he wants to raise an issue and then lecture us on it, feel free. But don't get shirty when things don't go the way you want them to, or you can't manipulate us the way you would like to.
Some of us don't enjoy being pawns. Actually, I'd rather be a prawn. Ooooh and a chili one please.
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