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Post by holly on Jul 29, 2005 10:40:11 GMT 10
Then I can help.
He was heavily involved on the same topic on "Der Fuehrer" message board prior to posing the same question here, so I guess he wanted feedback from us Aussies.
He is a documentary researcher.
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Post by Meg on Jul 29, 2005 11:13:42 GMT 10
If he wants feedback then he should treat our responses with respect, not mockery. Feedback requires that you listen not instruct.
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Post by tqisfoo on Jul 29, 2005 11:20:00 GMT 10
Yes it's the attitude of "pay attention, you morons, you might actually learn something" that gets on my goat.
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Post by 4213 on Jul 29, 2005 11:31:32 GMT 10
and the fact we are not lab rats. Well accept for me.
Edit: How freudian. Perhaps except would have made more sense.
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Post by holly on Jul 29, 2005 12:13:38 GMT 10
Many topics here are in question form. (Nephilim for example)
I guess the ayes have it though. good work ;D
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Post by marysunshine on Jul 29, 2005 12:45:13 GMT 10
This thread is a classic example of the topic being secondary to behaviour. All this mysterious agenda swimming around.
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Post by holly on Jul 29, 2005 12:53:39 GMT 10
Do you think sirius had an agenda Mary?
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Post by marysunshine on Jul 29, 2005 13:28:00 GMT 10
I think he wanted a list of creative males or rather male geniuses. It was a provocative subject and he did word it provocatively, but at the end of the day - he wanted (I believe) that list. No one really stepped into that arena. Some really valid points were made, I thought, but still beyond that no one contributed to acknowledging too many examples of male genius. They do exist.
I was just looking on the Internet and there is quite the debate about male genius. I found some interesting lists of such genius too and yes, some showing female achievement as well.
We can't help being protective of ourselves and at times our entire gender. That really came out here too.
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Post by Meg on Jul 29, 2005 13:55:03 GMT 10
I still don't know what Sirius' purpose was. If it was to obtain a list of male creative strengths then there are other and better sources. To the question 'why are men more creative?', we answered it to the best of our abilities and from our various perspectives. I think what annoyed Sirius is that he intended it to lead into a discussion about male genius and that's not what happened. Sorry, but you can start a thread but you can't own it. It will go where it will. However, bringing it back on topic isn't too difficult. You just steer it back to where you want it. Can't make people follow, though. And calling them dumb is not going to do it.
All Sirius had to do was to acknowledge the controversy regarding IQ tests (and there is) and then post what he wanted. In fact, simply acknowledging the other person's point of view (and there were some very valid arguments) before making your own, makes all the difference. Baiting them, making it into a contest of wits, being patronising etc tends to get people's back up. Perhaps, Sirius' next documentary should be on people skills.
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Post by tqisfoo on Jul 29, 2005 14:16:59 GMT 10
I Perhaps, Sirius' next documentary should be on people skills. Or on earning $300,000 a year and its correlation to one's validity as a human being.
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Post by holly on Jul 29, 2005 14:22:09 GMT 10
I think he wanted a list of creative males or rather male geniuses. It was a provocative subject and he did word it provocatively, but at the end of the day - he wanted (I believe) that list. No one really stepped into that arena. Some really valid points were made, I thought, but still beyond that no one contributed to acknowledging too many examples of male genius. They do exist. I was just looking on the Internet and there is quite the debate about male genius. I found some interesting lists of such genius too and yes, some showing female achievement as well. We can't help being protective of ourselves and at times our entire gender. That really came out here too. Then the provocation was in fun. On the German board he often contributed areas where women were superior creatively or equal (I forget each instance) I remember he contributed Millinery, Psychology, Networking,Interior design,Pet Husbandry, Childcare, Nursing,Animal refuge, Garden design,Literature, Modern day sculpting,Colourgraphics, Choreography, Voice training,Social work and at least a dozen other areas.
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Post by marysunshine on Jul 29, 2005 14:31:16 GMT 10
I'm hardly the originator of warm fuzzy threads myself. Sort of on topic but entirely opposite (?)
Female Ingenuity A partial list of the many ingenious inventions by women.
Battery container Nancy Perkins 1986 Beehive Thiphena Hornbrook 1861 Canister vacuum Nancy Perkins 1987 Car heater Margaret Wilcox 1893 Circular saw Tabitha Babbit 1812 Computer program Augusta Ada Byron 1842 Cooking stove Elizabeth Hawk 1867 Dam and reservoir construction Harriet Strong 1887 Direct and return mailing envelope Beulah Henry 1962 Dishwasher Josephine Cochran 1872 Drinking fountain device Laurene O'Donnell 1985 Electric hot water heater Ida Forbes 1917 Elevated railway Mary Walton 1881 Engine muffler El Dorado Jones 1917 Feedback control for data processing Erna Hoover 1971 Fire escape Anna Connelly 1887 Globes Ellen Fitz 1875 Grain storage bin Lizzie Dickelman 1920 Improved locomotive wheels Mary Jane Montgomery 1864 Improvement in dredging machines Emily Tassey 1876 Improvement in stone pavements Emily Gross 1877 Kevlar, a steel-like fiber used in radial tires, crash helmets, and bulletproof vests Stephanie Kwolek 1966 Life raft Maria Beaseley 1882 Liquid Paper correction fluid Bette Nesmith Graham 1956 Locomotive chimney Mary Walton 1879 Medical syringe Letitia Geer 1899 Mop-wringer pail Eliza Wood 1889 Oil burner Amanda Jones 1880 Permanent wave for the hair Marjorie Joyner 1928 Portable screen summer house Nettie Rood 1882 Refrigerator Florence Parpart 1914 Rolling pin Catherine Deiner 1891 Rotary engine Margaret Knight 1904 Safety device for elevators Harriet Tracy 1892 Street cleaning machine Florence Parpart 1900 Submarine lamp and telescope Sara Mather 1870 Suspenders Laura Cooney 1896 Washing machine Margaret Colvin 1871 Windshield wiper Mary Anderson 1903 Zigzag sewing machine Helen Blanchard 1873
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Post by holly on Jul 29, 2005 14:37:54 GMT 10
Vunderbah!
Val would have loved that list and I will pass it on to his board. ;D
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Post by marysunshine on Jul 29, 2005 14:47:52 GMT 10
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Post by holly on Jul 29, 2005 15:05:35 GMT 10
Thankyou Mary
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