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Post by marysunshine on Apr 15, 2005 13:53:54 GMT 10
I guess the equation always was that BMG is more a business than an agency, they're not in it for free. Much like running a restaurant. It's not just whether you are a good cook, you have to be able to sell your dishes and get the customers. It's not enough to have a specialised menu that isn't going to get the turnover. The problem Casey faces is that she has to give back the pound of flesh they want from her, because she entered a competition with full knoweldge of what she had to do if she won. I don't feel sorry for her or anyone who voted for her to win. It was well known that the winner was supposed to be an 'idol' and would have to appeal to the mainstream. Better contenders were denied so Casey could 'win'. Maybe a lesson will be learned next time. People should vote for the contestant who suits the mold the best, otherwise they'll not only be bypassed but hindered in the process.
I can't remember if Casey has to pay back her contract price. Maybe once she has done that she might have another chance. It's too bad the contract has been wasted on her. Someone else, the third or fourth place contestant probably would have made a better go of it.
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Post by Raven on Apr 15, 2005 14:04:42 GMT 10
I guess the equation always was that BMG is more a business than an agency, they're not in it for free. Much like running a restaurant. It's not just whether you are a good cook, you have to be able to sell your dishes and get the customers. It's not enough to have a specialised menu that isn't going to get the turnover. The problem Casey faces is that she has to give back the pound of flesh they want from her, because she entered a competition with full knoweldge of what she had to do if she won. I don't feel sorry for her or anyone who voted for her to win. It was well known that the winner was supposed to be an 'idol' and would have to appeal to the mainstream. Better contenders were denied so Casey could 'win'. Maybe a lesson will be learned next time. People should vote for the contestant who suits the mold the best, otherwise they'll not only be bypassed but hindered in the process. I can't remember if Casey has to pay back her contract price. Maybe once she has done that she might have another chance. It's too bad the contract has been wasted on her. Someone else, the third or fourth place contestant probably would have made a better go of it. That is actually a very good point... I mean it's great that Casey is unique and not the same as all those 'Britney' clones, etc... But on the flipside... I don't think she should have won AI2. Berate me all you want, Casey fans, but I'm actually not having a go at her, her talent, or her fans. I'm just calling it how I see it.
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Post by Test Card Girl on Apr 15, 2005 14:41:55 GMT 10
Oh I agree that winning Idol hasn't done Casey any favours.
I'm glad Chanel didn't win because she would have been treated like Casey. Chanel was my favourite of all the Idols last year.
I like Casey for her voice and the emotion she sings with - nothing wrong with that.
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Post by babooshka on Apr 15, 2005 15:04:46 GMT 10
I'm glad Chanel didn't win because she would have been treated like Casey. Chanel was my favourite of all the Idols last year. Le Sigh. Why has she not yet released an album?
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Post by marysunshine on Apr 15, 2005 16:08:46 GMT 10
The contract hasn't been wasted on Casey. She won the competition fair and square just as if she had won 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire' or any other competition on television. An enormous profit was made in television rights, advertising, votes and the rest of it. Casey has done what has been required of her. She's not the one complaining. I am. It could also be said that BMG knew there was a possibility that the winner would not be commercial. An obligation exists on both sides. Casey doesn't pay anything back. She simply doesn't get paid until there is a profit. Why vote for someone just because they fit the mold instead of who you like? What a waste of a telephone call, not to mention a mockery of what the show is about. No one has said she didn't win, but rather the suggestion is that as a winner she hasn't been as financially productive as, for example, the second place getter. The show itself was relatively popular because of all the contestants, the production team, the audience etc. However, the success of Casey the AI2 Idol *winner* in great part has to do with her and her alone. Casey hasn't lived up to what was expected of her. She has rather flopped. I know that it is sad for her fans but it's the reality of the situation. I don't see her getting paid at all at this rate if she is waiting on a profit. The bigger mockery of the whole mess is that we ended up with an inadequate 'idol'.
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Post by marysunshine on Apr 15, 2005 16:35:16 GMT 10
Casey hasn't lived up to what has been expected on her because she hasn't released the type of material that won her votes in the competition. Voters liked her because she doesn't fit the mold. There are heaps of pop stars around. Why is it important that we end up with a commercially successful idol? It's what keeps the world going round. If an 'idol' makes money it encourages the franchise to keep going. That's why Anthony's songs were promoted so early on when Casey wasn't making the sales. One way or another the business needs to make the dollar. I don't blame them one bit. Anway, what type of songs are best suited for Casey? Where is her niche? 'George' types of songs?
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Post by babooshka on Apr 15, 2005 16:44:48 GMT 10
Probably not commercial enough. I disagree. While her fanbase was not big enough to get her first, it got her to fifth. Her fanbase seems to have been much more vocal than others and I think Chanel fans are more likely to buy her album than fans of any other Idol.
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Post by babooshka on Apr 15, 2005 16:50:29 GMT 10
I answered in the spirit of the current discussion. I think Chanel is great too and I would buy her album. I realise, I was just saying I think she would be economically viable. C'est la vie, I shall leave now, because she's all I remember about AI2 and so all my posts will be about as much.
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Post by marysunshine on Apr 15, 2005 16:58:42 GMT 10
I think emotive, soulful songs are Casey's niche. She also has a good voice for rock. I don't think she suits pop or big ballads. It's hard to compare last year with this year. Arguably, the song that Guy was given to record was better than LTYH and it suited him. It certainly didn't suit Shannon. LTYH was also available for download on the internet. This would have affected sales. I don't know anyone, including Casey's fans, who liked LTYH. Anthony's first single was his standout performance on Idol. I wish Casey's could have been "Beautiful' or 'Here's Where I Stand'. The Kasey Chambers song she sung for her audition would have been great too. Anthony's album isn't doing as well as expected either. He's sold more than Casey but it is hardly in the same league as Guy's. I wonder who has done the best? For some reason I think Shannon has. Both Guy and Shannon had and have personalities that translate well 'live'. They converse easily, make jokes, generally appeal. I see Casey more as a recording performer, that is after a lot of guidance. She strikes one as someone who should be a writer but I'm not convinced she has what it takes to do that well either, at least for now. Still, I agree in that she could go for the moody, soulful style.
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Post by Test Card Girl on Apr 15, 2005 17:46:45 GMT 10
Still, I agree in that she could go for the moody, soulful style. Yep, I think she sings songs with some angst in it well too. Definitely not pop.
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Post by zeds on Apr 15, 2005 17:50:54 GMT 10
Yep, I think she sings songs with some angst in it well too. Definitely not pop. Perhaps some lah.. lah.. LAHHHHHH!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by Test Card Girl on Apr 16, 2005 9:22:36 GMT 10
ha.. ha.. HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Ronnie on Apr 19, 2005 13:44:18 GMT 10
I think Casey just wasn't ready for being an idol, although she has the voice. It seems to have been all a bit much for her to take at 16. That's just my thoughts.
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Post by Ronnie on Apr 19, 2005 13:46:26 GMT 10
Didn't Guy go quiet off the Australian scene before comming out with an album? I'm sure Casey will come out with a good album soon, just like Guy did.
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Post by Explosivo on Apr 25, 2005 21:38:26 GMT 10
Guy went off the scene because he was writing and recording his second album. During that time, Shannon toured and had that TV special with Dicko and stayed in the public eye. That then gave people the impression that Shannon was more successful.
I don't know about the record sales or anything, but I'm quietly confident that Guy has sold more albums than Shannon has. It's just that because Shannon took longer to disappear, he was considered to have had the better post-Idol career.
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