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Post by holly on Oct 1, 2004 22:16:12 GMT 10
The Directors cut version highlighted the unicorn symbol and as it succeeded the earlier version, the director made it plain by using the symbol in Deckards flashbacks ie the implanted memories typical of the four year lifespan replicants that these flashbacks were proof that he WAS a replicant.
The director did this on purpose to make it more interesting,
I have all the information on file, and I don't wish to embarrass you twice in one evening Babyooshka by quoting it.
Nice to meet you Fyrrn.
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Post by Test Card Girl on Oct 1, 2004 22:16:44 GMT 10
Yes, the narration is in the style of film noir but the movie itself in the cinematography etc is film noir in its atmosphere without it - I felt that the narration was shoving the concept that this is film noir down my throat - a bit of film noir overkill.
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Post by babooshka on Oct 1, 2004 22:24:35 GMT 10
You can never have too much film noir!!!!!
And Holly, what do you mean? I'm just saying why I prefer the original version and why I prefer Deckard as a human than otherwise.
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Post by Test Card Girl on Oct 1, 2004 22:28:05 GMT 10
Oh I disagree. Film noir works better at a subdued level - everything is dark and mysterious and atmospheric - long deep and meaningful looks and languid music in a minor key.
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Post by babooshka on Oct 1, 2004 22:29:57 GMT 10
Ha! I was kidding when I said you can never have too much, obviously.
My main reason for liking the narration though would be that it exposes the emptiness of Deckard really well, which is as a theme one of the reasons I prefer the original to the director's. That's why it works for me.
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Post by holly on Oct 1, 2004 22:30:22 GMT 10
OK it's late.
The actual admission that Deckard was a replicant by the director himself is armed and ready to go.
If I were you babyooshka I would lay down your arms and raise the white flag.
It's all on record he announced it at an award presentation.
You may not have read the book, in the book there was no mention of Deckard being a replicant, but the unicorn symbol was in the book to denote Roy batty as the rebel and leader of the offworld group.
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Post by babooshka on Oct 1, 2004 22:39:09 GMT 10
Oh, I know in the Director's Cut version Deckard is a replicant. I won't debate that.
That's why I say I prefer the original, non-replicant version.
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Post by Test Card Girl on Oct 1, 2004 22:40:30 GMT 10
Oh holly, thanks for sticking up for me but babooshka's point is that he prefers that Deckard was not a replicant - he isn't disputing that Deckard is a replicant in the director's cut.
As for Deckard being a human vs Deckard being a replicant - the director's cut does convey Deckard's emptiness. With Deckard being a replicant - it adds to the urgency of the film - when is Deckard going to run out of his four years. It adds to the poignancy of the film - here he is, hunting out himself really - ...
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Post by holly on Oct 1, 2004 22:45:50 GMT 10
Ok I agree I was disappointed also that Deckard was a replicant and strayed from the book,
But we were all warned that there were 5 replicant's and only 4 were from offworld so it figured that Harrison ford was the 5th
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Post by Test Card Girl on Oct 1, 2004 22:50:09 GMT 10
Sorry, can I call a time out? I'm going to bed! Love you both.
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Post by holly on Oct 1, 2004 23:01:53 GMT 10
Me too.
14. IS DECKARD A REPLICANT?
This question causes the most debate among BR fans. The different versions of BR support this notion to differing degrees. One might argue that in the 1982 theatrical release, Deckard is not a replicant but in BRDC, he is.
There is no definitive answer: Ridley Scott himself has stated that, although he deliberately made the ending ambiguous, he also intentionally introduced enough evidence to support the notion, and (as far as he is concerned), Deckard is a replicant. [See section 9.]
The "FOR" case --------------
- Ridley Scott and Harrison Ford have stated that Deckard was meant to be a replicant. In Details magazine (US) October 1992 Ford says:
"Blade Runner was not one of my favorite films. I tangled with Ridley. The biggest problem was that at the end, he wanted the audience to find out that Deckard was a replicant. I fought that because I felt the audience needed somebody to cheer for."
- The shooting script had a voice-over where Deckard says, "I knew it on the roof that night. We were brothers, Roy Batty and I!"
- Gaff knew that Deckard dreamt of a unicorn, therefore Gaff knew what dreams that Deckard had been implanted with. (BRDC only)
- Replicants have a penchant for photographs, because it gives them a tie to their non-existent past. Deckard's flat is packed with photos, and none of them are recent or in color. Despite her memories, Rachael needed a photo as an emotional cushion. Likewise, Deckard would need photos, despite his memory implants. Rachael plays the piano, and Deckard has a piano in his flat.
- Gaff tells him "You've done a man's job, sir!". Early drafts of the script have him then add: "But are you sure you are man? It's hard to be sure who's who around here."
- Only a replicant could survive the beatings that Deckard takes, and then struggle up the side of a building with two dislocated fingers.
- Bryant's threat "If you're not a cop, you're little people" might be an allusion to Deckard being created solely for police work.
- Deckard's eyes glow (yellow-orange) when he tells Rachael that he wouldn't go after her, "but someone would". Deckard is standing behind Rachael, and he's out of focus.
- Roy knew Deckard's name, yet he was never told it. Some speculate that Deckard might have been part of Roy's off-world rebellion, but was captured by the police and used to hunt down the others. In tht case, Bryant is including Deckard among the five escaped replicants.
- The police would not risk a human to hunt four powerful replicants, particularly since replicants were designed for such dangerous work. Of course Deckard would have to think he was human or he might not be willing to hunt down other replicants.
- Gaff seems to follow Deckard everywhere -- he is at the scene of all the Replicant retirings almost immediately. Gaff is always with Deckard when the chief is around. This suggests that Gaff is the real BR, and that Deckard is only a tool Gaff uses for the dirty work
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Post by dhm on Oct 2, 2004 0:35:18 GMT 10
Hi Y'All, Just heading to bed after a few champagnes but thought i'd see what's going on. Am I addicted? Anyway since I haven't seen Bladerunner I can hardly contribute to the converstation however given the interesting discussion it generated I may check it out. Meanwhile Hols you should see minority report not only is it based on another Philip Dick novel but it is quite well done and plus Tom Cruse, my all-time biggest celebrity crush since I was 12, is in it! Also play nicely children you don't have to agree on everything! And no the caterpillar never gets to the top. d PS Frryn you are a great addition to the board- glad you're here!
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Post by holly on Oct 2, 2004 7:34:57 GMT 10
Yes the discussion is over for me as we ended up agreeing anyway.
Your right d the caterpillar never reaches the top of the pole.
Minority report sounds interesting.
Don't forget Total Recall with Arnie a very thought provoking movie and highlights the very latest in Copenhagen theory.
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Post by Test Card Girl on Oct 2, 2004 9:41:39 GMT 10
I find it extremely amusing that this thread has been stickied by the mod/admin and it has turned into an impassioned discussion about Schrodinger's Cat and Bladerunner - for the time being.
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Post by dhm on Oct 2, 2004 12:52:08 GMT 10
I find it extremely amusing that this thread has been stickied by the mod/admin and it has turned into an impassioned discussion about Schrodinger's Cat and Bladerunner - for the time being. both vitally important subjects! Okay back to the thread topic: play nice kids.
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